explicit poetry

is it bad to write explicit poems. we know what to write in that type of oems but is it bad to write such words. ? i need help

of course not. There is no such thing as limiting, inhibiting or prohibiting art. It is just like this on this site so they don't get sued for making kiddies have group orgies. Most of my poetry could be classed as 'explicit'.

^I agree to that as one view in the kaleidoscope. My feature poem however for instance, is in the explicit category simply because the words are so long/esoteric/sesquipadalian/whatever, they are not in the poems and quotes integrated dictionary.

Also, I love to use the word 'f**king', because I do so often in real life - it is an excellent cultural marker, and it brings one back to the reason why the word was created and is so widely used - because it is phonetically perfect, such a satisfying word! Funnily enough, this is one of the exact same effects poets strive for. My use of such words also portrays my identity well.

So I think there is a lot to milk out of profanity, whilst I agree with Bob's ideas as well.

On a separate note for vocabulary, the best word in any given situation is one that most closely expresses the meaning the arbiter has chosen to elicit. And, if there are two or more words which contend aggressively for this position, then the smaller of the word should always win.

So 'long' words don't have a lot going for them per se. It is only when their meaning is more precisely correlated with the poet's intended meaning than shorter words, when they are worth using.

I think the occassionaly use of profanity to emphasize the emotion or point is perfectly fine, however, to use profanity for pure 'shock' value is cliche and unecessay and not the mark of a professional or serious poet. Profanity/explicit words can draw away from the poem's meaning or it can give an emphatic power. You just have to ask yourself why is it there? Is it necessary?

'Poetry is a form of art and art is related to ecstatic and harmony and inevitably beauty, *in which has nothing to do with profanity*- harshness, vulgarity and ugliness-'

I completely and emphatically disagree. I think that is a ludicrous statement, and that someone needs to revise their definition of aestheticism.

I would cringe to read your poetry with such claims.

ah, poetry...

I think one of the most amazing things about it is that no-one can really agree on what it IS. I think a lot of people would agree with you, aria, in that it is to be a thing of beauty. but sometimes poetry has a harder task, and that is illuminating the truth. sometimes the world is not beautiful - sometimes it's not harmonic or glorious. sometimes life feels "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short." In those cases, I think some people NEED poetry, either to help them escape, or to help them illustrate the darkness of life. If you can understand something clearly, which poetry can help you do, then sometimes you can face it better. and that's where I think some "profane" or explicit poetry comes in. there are times when those measures must be taken, in order to pen the truth.

of course, I have little patience for people who swear simply for lack of a better vocabulary or creativity, but sometimes the situation demands it. (but then, I have to add, I also have little patience for people who repeatedly say such inane things as "crimson tears" or whatever. same lack of innovation.)

in the end, perhaps one of the final possible uses for poetry is taking a truth that could be either clean or ugly, and finding the beauty in it.

Aria, with your definition of art and poetry, by god, you must be a f**** ignoramus, because half the world's poetry would not exist, and there would be no such thing as modern art.

OPEN YOUR EYES.
GODDAMN. In my GCSE art class we are studying the so called Saatchi artists, who take pictures of their messed up bed with used condoms, thongs with period stains and stubbed cigarettes.

And that sold for $$$$$$ to Charles Saatchi.

IN MY GCSE CLASS.

OPEN YOUR EYES.

Goddamn. Some people.

r u serious??

its ok to write all kinds of poetry.... writing with cuss words, about sex....it's fine, but i suggest you have experience

yes, abby! let us be kindred souls! Together we will vanquish.. er....I don't know. How about fake and ugly poetry? But then I'd have to get rid of some of mine.. dang it. anyway, I definitely agree with your ideas there.

good point, abby...

I've been thinking more about this topic throughout the day, and I wonder what other people think: Is profanity acceptable when used simply to make a statement? When there's no real artistic or emotional reason, but you want to use it for the shock value, simply to cross that line? Art for art's sake... "F**k for f**k's sake," so to say. Is there value inherent in crossing boundaries? I understand there probably isn't a good, perfect answer to this question, but I'd still like to hear some thoughts.

(Personally, I hardly ever swear. I prefer ripping paper or kicking holes in walls, apparently...)

""Art for art's sake"- I don't even know what that means. Is it something like meaningless sex?"

Heh, that's kind of how I was using it, but I guess historically that's not what it's meant, now that I think of it. In the past "art for art's sake" has simply meant art that hasn't been contracted or anything, for a specific purpose. just "art because it's beautiful," i guess. Later on, "art because it's creation." But yes. like meaningless sex. a statement without emotion.

personally, like you were saying about profanity, i think the strength and soul of art, like most things, comes with it's meaningfulness. (meaningfulness? wtf?) But then... I'm sarcastic sometimes, you know? (Only when i'm scared. or moody.) But i think sincerity is both the strongest and bravest way to go... but i'm open to hearing other views, i suppose.

I think that's certainly one way of looking at it, aria. I would just say that sometimes wonderful and beautiful things aren't pretty or pleasant - sometimes chaos is beautiful; sometimes flaws are beautiful. I don't know if poetry has ever existed in a "marble castle" except when it creates one for itself.

I do believe in things like friendship, justice, and compassion. Probably more than is realistic, but I don't care. But often, I think, art has to illustrate the -lack- of those things in the world in order to fiight it. Not to glory in depravity, to be sure, but to expose it.

So yeah, I'm not going to say that that's "the Truth," but it's some of what I think.

I did read through what you said at least twice - your... wording was kind of confusing at times. My guess would be that English is not your first language, but in any case, sorry if I misunderstood you.

"Ass talents –which you and abby both the best candidate"

lol. I'm just going to leave that one alone... because I have no idea what you were getting at, sorry.

In any case, to restate succinctly: explicit poetry - yes, as long as it's explicit truth for a good reason; no, if it's simply lack of imagination or if it's thoughtless perversion.

ach nein, nuovo! what's going on with your comments? I really don't remember you saying anything especially profane...

'Probability by now the fume of profanity is screaming out of your explicit pores.'

Wow. Learn to speak English before you attempt to converse with me.

Too-taloo.

Oh, and by the way, none of my comments were actually deleted. Well, they were, and then they were put back in. I don't know. Someone's serioulsy messed with this thread. Mh. I don't care.

I wouldn't say it's bad to write such words. It's poetry it's what we feel in our heart and what is running through our body's.

I dont think so. I mean if thats the type of thing you feel like writing at the time, then go for it. there's nothing wrong with it. poetry is poetry.

If you feel thats how you want to express yourself the go for it but I dont think a lot of people enjoy reading that.

Any poetry is ok, if it wasnt there wouldnt be a section for it? xxx

Its ok as long as you use the right words to make the poem seem classic and not just a bunch of bs that undermines the act of sexual contact

Well i think all kind of poetry is cool

Im just gonna say my opinion here, without reading the lot!

Ok explict poems are not bad, i think they can be very good, just dont push it to far in one poem at a time, and watch out with what words you use, some people can get offended very easy by some words.

Zima

Yeah... and I personally don't even curse or use profanity when I speak but sometimes when I write I just want to express the anger I feel and sometimes it's hard to find the words. So occasionally I slip in hell or d*m*. You know, but I too wouldn't go too far.

I have a few explicit poems, Mostly about drugs. I have only used one vulgar word out of all my poems.