The Anti-Christ.

?? Whats your opinions?

Very inspiring.. sort of a goal for completion

Nah...this persons going to be bigger than bush.

And everyone will look at him-her as if they were a saint

theyll be kinda like hitler, try to make something sound so good and everyone will be apart of it, cept it just wont be germany it will be the whole world

funny, some people thought hitler WAS the anti christ

Well my opinion anyways

Oh many people could oppose such a god...

and the popes nothing but a loser. bush is nothing but a loser. anti christ needs to win, gain peoples respect. then he will lose..

yeah forty million people COULD have voted for him but thats not the whole world

I dont believe the anti-christ exists and george w. bush has made some stupid decisions and can barely talk properly but he's not the damn antichrist...and neither is marilyn manson (he's better in my opinion lol)

Antichrist? I think I dated him once.

The Anti Christ? Doesn't there have to be a Christ before there can be an anti?

Lets not speak of this topic as if it's something real, because at best, the notion of an anti Christ is a very loose idea taken up as fact by some very unstable people over the course of history.

I place any belief in the anti Christ, or the second coming or the rapture or any modern religious fantastical event in the same waste bin as I do with special dates of Armageddon or spiritual evolution.

People are obsessed with this crap, most likely because they are unhappy with the way their lives are, and so must look for something that will alter it [like the rapture] or perhaps add some inherantly evil adversary to rub out their boredom and pain and hatred against.

What bother me more than the mystical appearance of an Anti Christ, is that someone who is already unstable and powerful socially in some way, will adapt the idea of the anti christ and use it for their own ends, in the same way people do with other facets of religion.

It's all nonsense that anyone with a shred of common sense and historical awareness can see right past.

Kevin you may be a mod but dont you come in here and tell us how we can talk.
there are no rules saying were not allowed to think something is real or not.

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okay so say bush IS the anti christ. theres suppost to be one last fight between good and evil and christ himslef will come down and destroy the evil, just as the good side were almost over..

so thinking bush is the anti christ..makes him evil, makes the people fighting for him evil. then who are the people fighting the evil? oh yip. iraq is real good arent they.

personally i dont think bush is the anti christ, but i could be wrong

Bubble popper.

My being a mod has nothing whatsoever to do with my firm ascertion that the way you speak of the anti Christ as being real and totally worth discussion, WITHOUT first offering some proof or reasoning for such a wild claim, is not good thinking. If I say;

"Lets not talk about this as if it's real" I don't mean..."DON'T MENTION THIS SUBJECT YOU IDIOTS...I AM A MOD AND I SAY SO". Which, remarkably is how you appear to have interpreted my post. This wacky reworking of logic you displayed goes a fair way in explaining to me how you can warp such a mythical and totally unfounded idea like the Anti Christ out of real world events that have far more complex and totally explainable causes.

I have been on this site for a long time, and not once have I ever abused my Mod powers to add fuel or weight to any point I might offer. You, who I don't know, are waaay out of line for suggesting this, way out.

As for the rest of your post, to me it's jibberish, in that it's not written well enough to respond to.

Kevin,

What a good comment and reply.

You know it is said that those with higher intelligence question these theories?

KUDOS!!

and Bob always gets a LOL from me.....

Oh no. i dont capatilize my sentances that must mean im speaking jibberish.

I speak fluent jibberish.. i come from jibberland. and in jibberland bush is the anti christ.

and we're all stuck following him.

I will never follow him.

hes the biggest loser out there.

If I'd created a world, and after a mere few years (in the big scheme of things) the creatures I stuck on it had started squabbling like morons and practically wrecked the place like so many drop-out college kids leaving a rented flat, I'd quite honestly take a baseball bat to the damn thing and start again. Even if some of them, you know... LIKED the squalor they lived in, because it's a squalor they believed I'd come and rectify.

Who needs an antichrist when you have humanity?

Quit blaming Bush. He's an idiot, and that's all.

Gah. no im saying that their both evil. ANYONE that kills is evil bob...and i dont care if its defending, i still think its evil.

Sort of like the Jimmy Carter quote, right? If Gods Will has to be settled by conflict, it can only ever be truly an act of evil?

They say the Anti Christ is one of the four horsemen O.o

I have said this before, to even use a term like Anti Christ, doesn't there first have to be a Christ?

Anti Abortion, Anti War, for example. I know there is an idea, a common one of Jesus and what he stood for, and I guess, but a long stretch of the imagination and a severe loosening of the logic strings, you could say that someone who was the complete opposite of the proposed ideals of Jesus Christ, would qualify as an "anti Christ".

I just don't think it's cool to be Anti something that has no real opposite to Anti oneself from.

I am not a big fan of Jesus, real or not, does that made me Anti Christ?..it's BS in my opinion.

No that just means your not a big fan of jesus..

Is that all you have to say Bubble? You started this thread remember and I have been quite direct and open with my thoughts, almost none of which you have taken the time to respond to, which is of course your right.

Still, it pisses me off that you ask a question, and then disregard the answers you don't like or can't understand.

Well you keep saying that there has to be a christ to have an anti christ, and i belive there IS a christ, and just because you cant see him, or hear him, doesnt mean that there isnt actually one. and os i belive there is an anti christ, the anti christ may not come along down here until many years, or he could be here all ready, but i belive he will come.

yeah theres anti wars, and anti abortion, there are wars, there are abortions. and i belive there is a christ so i belive there is an anti christ

and excuse me but i wrote somethign up there a while ago, perfectly fine to read, and you said you wouldnt even bother to reply to it...hypocrite

AH, so you are waiting for the Anti Christ to appear are you? Just scanning the papers and Fox "News" waiting for the one who will validate your beliefs. Well I'm sure if you look hard enough you will find an Anti Christ every week with that mentality.

Look at it from my point of view Bubble. As you so rightly said, I don't believe in Jesus, as I have never seen a good reason to. However, if I was to propose to you and everyone else on this website an idea as fantastical and unusual as the Anti Christ [which if you actually think about the reality of the notion, is pretty strange] I'd be damn sure to offer some supporting evidence for such a massive idea.

That is only fair right? If you suggest the idea of something huge and powerful, you should at least try to prove it or back it up. You have not done this, and so you have no place being upset I don't believe you.

And just to be picky, because you are now calling me silly names, I didn't say I couldn't be bothered to reply to your post a while back, I said i couldn't understand it, and so I couldn't reply to it, there is a big difference. If you paid attention you might notice these things.

Twice you have insulted me, and twice I have shown you why you are totally out of line....wrong basically. Do yourself a favour and don't triplicate your error.

No im not 'waiting for it' i just belive that it will happen. i dont scan the newspaper or listen to the news to find anything interesting about it, lmao.

and i dont think i should have to support my idea about it, it is what i belive, i dont have to prove anything to you, or to anyone, belive what you want, i really couldnt care. do you remember me saying? right at the beginning? whats your oppinion? you gave me yours, i gave you mine, its an opinion, i dont have to prove my opinion or any beliefs that i might have to you.
you know you dont belive in christ or the anti christ, fine, so be it. im not going to ask you to prove that their isnt

Kristen, if you have something to say to me, then you say it by yourself, don't use hidden other members to suggest I am being horrible to people on this site in debates. If people don't like a strong passionate debate, they shouldn't start topics which invite such things, especially concerning religion and politics!

Bubble, I'll say this one more time for you. I am not saying you have to do anything. But what I am saying is that if you want to be taken seriously by anyone of a good thinking level on this site, then you really need to back up the ideas you put forward. If you don't do this you will take flak for it again and again. And this is nothing to do with converting anyone to another belief, it's all about good thinking and adult debating.

Ha, Bob, I'm like the poster in Mulders Office in the X-files.

I want to believe.

Really I do, I'd love for their to be a God, it would be ace...diminished responsibility, no fear of death, religious wars would end, maybe.

Have you ever thoguht that God might want us to have all of these things?

death, responsibility, religious wars, any kind of wars, poverty, abuse, the list goes on.

what would life be without death? to experiance life you must deal with death, if you never die you would never of lived.
religious wars will always happen, God or no God, people have very strong feelings, and if someone doesnt agree, or if someone has the beliefs of the exact opposite, theres going to be arguments, murder, war, etc.
and what would the world be liek without responsibility? do you think? that God would take full responsibilty for all our actions? no i do not, you might think other wise, but how could one soul, one man..one something be responible for everyone that lives?
poverty will always occur because right now, all us humans can think about is themselves and their family, and thats OK, some familys might have it hard enough as it is, but there will always be poverty.

so i belive god wants us to experiance all of this, the world cant be perfect after all and we all have to grow and learn, and just because if a God came along, if there is a god, doesnt mean everythings going to change, and everyones going to be happy, and everythings going to be perfect. because when has that ever happened?
and you may say, well since the anti christ is 'coming down' then christ himself will come down and sort out the evil..i kinda disagree on that part, i belive the anti christ will come down, but christ himself has always been here, somehow? if you get what i mean, maybe not in person, or in any form of any kind, but he has still been here..

okay so maybe you didnt get what i mean but yeah

I have heard that quote before! i liked it teheh =)

Ace Kristen, and not the quote [which I think was said, almost exactly the same, but far more poetically by Kahlil Gibran in his book The Prophet], the once more sideways manner in which you attempt to discredit me using the suggested disaproval of other nameless people.

I'd be lying if I said what you are suggesting doesn't bother me. I know I can be harsh sometimes when I think people are being lazy in their thinking and communicating, but it's not like I'm attacking people in the street for the way they think, we are in a discussion forum, bubble wrapped within a thread about religious matters. If there was a place to challenge people on matters of faith, this would be it and it's a bit childish to get overly defensive about that.

Still, I never thought I would scare people away, unless of course they are people who aren't very smart, in which case I can see why they wouldn't like to be involved in a discussion with me.

This is getting way off topic however, but seeing as it appears my thoughts on the matter are not welcome...I'll offer up a nice quote, very similar to the one Kristen posted, but like I said, written with far more insight, from the Book "the Prophet"

" The deeper that sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain.

Is not the cup that holds your wine the very cup that was burned in the potter's oven?

And is not the lute that soothes your spirit, the very wood that was hollowed with knives?

When you are joyous, look deep into your heart and you shall find it is only that which has given you sorrow that is giving you joy.

When you are sorrowful look again in your heart, and you shall see that in truth you are weeping for that which has been your delight. "

Kristen never said your thoughts werent welcome she only said that some people dont like being in the same conversation as you

so bassically, somethign good, always comes from something bad, something bad, always comes from something good. its a cycle that will never end.

thats why the world is like..

so maybe to have somethign as bad as the anti christ to come down, we will then see something good from it and the christ will come and put an end to the anti christ? something good coming from something bad..

Bubble, I feel we are both getting a bit personal now, and I don't really want that as it will spoil your discussion thread. However, I don't like you having a false understanding of where I'm coming from so please let me explain a few things.

Can't you see how Kristen suggesting "other" people don't like the way I communicate was really only her weak way of saying exactly that for herself? She is a friend of yours, I know that, of course you two are going to defend each other, that is what friends do, but I am not calling you names so I see no need for heavy armour, and as I said before, this is a forum for discussion and opinion.

And seeing as neither of you, as two of the major contributers in this thread, have responded to any of the points I've made in earnest, regarding this topic, what am I to think? That you welcome my thoughts? I think not.

Just come out and say it, you don't want people to challenge what you say. You might think you do, but when it really happens that someone like me, calls you on the lazy way you put your points across, you get all upset like a child who has been told the Tooth fairy isn't real.

I feel that the AntiChrist is merely the personification of the duality this universe seems to be governed in.

I think that where there is a Christ which I believe he existed. There will be an Anti Christ, someone who will do as much influence as Christ did. So I am guessing he will be a mighty powerful foe...

As I see this thread has digressed so much that the aura in here has much negativity...

On the side note....Hey Kristen and Britt...

I don't think Kevin did anything more than give his opinion, as was asked. You may not agree with it or like the way it was worded but, it is his opinion none the less. Put your nails away girls lol

I believe there was a Jesus, now that does not mean I believe the full biblical account of him, but I do believe he existed. do I believe there is an anti-christ? In a sense yes. There is an opposing force to the good that Christ has come to represent. That is the way of the world though, you cannot have good without bad and there are always going to be those who ride high into the public eye who have horrific intentions towards their fellow man.

Carrie: But the question is who is the Anti Christ...

I would not think it is Bush...He is too stupid to be evil.

I am thinking it's either Tom Cruise or Micheal Moore..

I believe that in every being there is a potential for acceptance of good and evil. It seems that the historical figures that are revered by their followers were charismatic. The discernment of the masses gives or removes power.

"Carrie: But the question is who is the Anti Christ..."

Actually the thread started by asking your opinion on the Antichrist, not necessarily who I thought it was lol your answer was funny though, I'd lean more Tom's way though.

Micheal, do you know you look like Peter Griffin from Family guy?

Kudos.

So are we still waiting for the Anti Christ then? Like we are still waiting for the second coming and oh so many other failed spiritual or religious dates and events long said to happen.

"Micheal, do you know you look like Peter Griffin from Family guy?"

Thanks for pointing that out Kevin did you know you have many of the features of Butthead from Beavis and Butthead? lol

He does NOT look like Peter Griffin!

Kevin, did you know in that picture you look like Clint Eastwood with a lopsided hairline?