Sex Offenders?

Do you think sex-offenders and child molester/paedophiles would ever be rehabilitated?

State your answer....And tell my you think so?

Well they learned to be abusers, most likely from being abused themselves, which is a terrible burden, to have your sexuality warped by another human being, usually someone you are close to.

I don't see why they couldn't learn to be openly sexual in a healthy adult way.

I don't think that All of them were abused or "learned to be abusers".. I think there is a vast majority of them who are just sick ...Did anyone happen to see the "John Coey" trial??? He tried to pretend like he was mentally ill...After holding a nine year old girl captive for 4 days and then burying her...alive..He even admitted she was alive and the evidence backed it up..Or has anyone heard about "Justin Baker"? He is from Vienna Illinoise...I knew him when I still lived there.. Well he is in jail now awaiting trial because he was having sex with a 8 yr old and videotaping it..Then selling it internationally..He was never abused..He was in a fourwheller accident about 7 yrs ago though. I really don't know what to think about sex offenders..or why they are the way they are...I don't think they can be cured and don't think they should even be given the benifit of the doubt...If they did it once it could happen again and a childs well being isn't worth it....

No I don't think they will. They will always have a small sense of it in their minds that will never go away.

If a sex offender has become a child sex offender by being sexually abused as a child, the children that sex offender has assaulted will be put in the same position. All of the victims will have their sexual ideas warped, and will probably never get over the fact they were taken advantage of so cruelly. I wouldn't know, but torture is not the way to go. I honestly hate the idea of humans sentencing a criminal for a crime, then commiting the same crime without penalty. Criminals should become judges, executioners, and doctors if that's the way they world works. That way they can go about killing and torturing as they see fit, while not a head turns. My point is, it's twisted to punish a criminal in a similar sense to the punishment they have inflicted. That way, the cycle continues. A child sex offender should not have his balls cut off, that's sadistic. He (or she) should be sentenced to life in prison. Now, for those of you who are going o argue that life in prison costs a lot of people a lot of money--taxes, let me tell something to you. I agree that we should not have to grant our hard earned money to take care of horrible people. Instead, criminals should have to earn their own keep in prison, that or starve to death I guess. But prisoners should have to do community work, work for the government, in paying back their lifetime debt.

Tell me what you think.

No, I do not.
Once a ..monster...has done something like that, I do not think they could ever be rehabilitated because for many it's a power thing.
The ones who do get caught get a slap on the wrist.
And I have heard alot of times about some of them being released from jail, only to be put back in within months.
Good riddance, is what I say.
They don't even deserve the chance to try and be rehabilitated anyway.

Pay back their debt as in the money involved with keeping them in prison. Did you read my entire statement? I never said a sex offender could EVER repay innocence lost. Death cannot repay that either, I think you need to broaden your mind. An eye for an eye will make the world go blind.

Along with what I said earlier...I have mixed emotions abot the death penalty..BUT I think it should be used when dealing with crimes against children...or if a person murdered more than one person..There's nothing worse than that..(I say more than one b/c unless there's hard evidence then you reallly aren't 100% sure if they're guilty..Where in rape cases there's dna etc.)

Pedophiles cannot be rehabilitated, atleast the vast majority of them. It is proven in study after study that most of them are repeat offenders. Like many have said, just because they have only been caught once does not mean that was their first or last time doing it. I actually got to participate in an interview with a child molester and it was one of the most frightening and eye opening experiences of my life. Many of them truly believe that they dont have a problem and that society is wrong. These disgusting sentences of under a year or even just a couple of years make me sick. Our kids are the most important people on this earth and to slap someone on the wrist for murdering their spirit is prrof enough for me that there is something wrong with our judicial system.

Killing sex offenders, or killing any criminal, is to me, like being presented with an overflowing bathtub, and rather than turning the tap off, you hard hearted and headed fools try to use your hands to stop the water touching the floor.

Why do we stop asking questions when a subject gets us angry? Surely that is the most useful time to really try to figure out what to do without more death and pain.

Bob, your views on this subject make me angry. I do not like reading you advocating hanging or castrating human beings, it may be your opinion, but it's a really harsh and hateful one, and one which I feel has it's place in a society which self perpetuates violence with more violence...and then complains about the state of constant violence.

^Agreed

Castration may ensure that a pedophile (assumingly male) would not get physical, genital sexual pleasure out of abusing a victim, but my understanding is that their perversity goes deeper than straight-out sexuality. I think in many cases, they get a psychological thrill out of doing what they do, more than it's just a physical "pleasure." I don't have anything to cite, but I'm pretty sure I heard of a study that showed that, even when people were castrated, they weren't necessarily deterred from their endeavors. So, simple castration may not be a complete answer.

But neither would I kill the people. What they do is entirely inexcusable, but I think death does more harm than good. For those who believe in humans having a soul, then the state of it should be important. When a sex offender is dead, there's no chance for him or her to come to light, and repent of what they've done. As long as they are alive, however, they have that possibility, slight though it may be, and, well... we don't know the future. It could be that a reformed sex offender could do great good in deterring others. Imprison them for life, yes, because they could very well be a danger - but kill them and you kill all hopes for their turn to goodness. A reformed force in the world is worth more than one that has been condemned.

All i'll say is that if they get released and they live in my neighborhood, don't be surprised if i don't let my kid play outside anymore and i carry a gun around with me.

Kevin..your answer makes me angry....

Wow...Indeed I find this a topic that has hit a nerve of certain people...But then that is what I find good. In order to change something, you must rock the very foundations of society...

Now I would think people would try and give sex offenders or paedophiles...Excuse me I mean Child lovers the benefit of doubt.

Like they say "To destroy the evil, you must first study and understand it"

Bob: Frankly I am disappointed at you, but then why would I be, I expected that answer from you! Do you really think childlovers would only go after a child just for sex...Please!!

There are many factors that determine why childlover are infact attracted to children..I will list three:

1)Children are attractive due to lack of dominance
2)Modelling from earlier childhood experiance
3)Repressed Norms about sexual behaviour

Now I would say that these are just some of the factors that would make a child more appealing to the childlover...Sex may be a factor in the relationship, but it is not a big factor.

I would say that there is still a stigma over the word "Paedophile"....

Although I abhor what they have done, and believe me I am a victim of it. I would say if they have done the time, and really are going on the straight and narrow, then they deserve a second chance.

It is sad to think that we are at an age, where we have to socially lynch someone who already recieved their punishment...

"Castration may ensure that a pedophile (assumingly male) would not get physical, genital sexual pleasure out of abusing a victim"

I would like to reply to the poster of this quote...I for one have done research on castration and it's effects, seeing as I was doing some readings on eunechs...

Castration does not halter sexual pleasure...Rather slows it down...Keeping the sex drive in check...

This world should be every man (and woman) for his own. We do not have freedom of choice, not in America, not anywhere that I can think of. Why are there authorities? Why do we have people telling other people what they can or cannot do? If someone rapes my kid, I'd like to get my revenge. I'm not making sense, but I'm sorry...I just don't understand how a government which is in no way affected (directly) by a crime, can sentence punishment, especially death. People ruling people, when we are all people. There is no equality, this species is messed up and power hungry. Always trying to climb on top of eachother, forming a staircase of class level. Ridiculous. Haha...forgive me for rambling about a bunch of nothing. I do that.

Back to the topic...How do children get put in a position to be sexually assaulted in the first place? Hmm...Paedophiles should be punished, but unless I am directly involved in the crime, I don't feel I can generalize and suppose one decision for all cases somewhat similar. Someone harms me or someone I love, I'd want to harm them back. Stupid government has to interfere of course. More money you have, the better chance you have of getting your revenge. Unfortunately, crimes seem to occur most in lower classes. Why is it humans are the only creatures who seek revenge?

Now I've got myself all tangled. Someone unravel me.

Nicko: Grow up...

I actually laughed at your posts, because of your warped sense of morality...

I have looked up on eunuchs, and I gave my own understanding of it, using them as a source...

Yes, I have been abused, but rather than take a pitchfork, and say let's kill them all...I actually am researching and trying to find out why they do this, like many criminologist do...Also I give people a second chance...

Being abused as a child was my motivation as to research to why these paedophiles/childlovers do it.

Yes there are bad seeds that actually re-offend, but there are those who actually are re-habilitated.

Now, I am using logic rather than emotion in my posts. Clearly I wouldn't say the same for many of the postees in here....

Now take your twisted sense of morality and please keep it to yourself....

Thank you *Smiles*

Hm, tough question. Most of the time...No I do not think they can be rehabilitated. These are sick people who have an illness and fantasies of which they wish to fulfill. Has anyone watched the show 'How to catch a predator'? Very disturbing and some of those people who get caught have already been on the show! They just never learn. I think pedophiles, child molesters, sex offenders should all have there 'special friend' removed. Maybe then they will learn that their revolting mind is not welcomed in our society.

Bob:

I am trying to deviate from the term "paedophile" because that word seem to mesh together the child molester from the child lover...So I am trying to identify one group...But from what I read from your post, you don't give a damn.

I would love to know where you are getting this from:
"same thing 98% of pathologists have found, they will do it again, may not in one year, 5 or 10"

Because according Storr (1965) and Howells (1981) 25% of paedophiles using boy models have re-offended...And 39% of paedophiles of girl models have reoffended...

Not 98%...

I would also like to note that pathologists study dieases...And paedophilia is not a dieases...It is a pyschological problem that needs to be understood and therefore taken care of...

I see from the post that you use mostly emotive descriptions to get your point across rather than facts...

I am not defending the paedophiles/childlovers, I merely saying some can be cured, therefore do not have the right to be lynched or treated indifferently.

Nicko:

I would like to cite Liz Kelly who argues the concept of "the paedophile" helps to shift away

"from the centrality of power and control to notions of sexual deviance, obsession and "addiction". Paedophilia returns us to...medical and individualised explanations...Rather than sexual abuse demanding we look critically at the social construction of masculinity, male sexuality and the family, the safer terrain of abnormalities beckons" (Kelly 1996:45)

Now...I would rather read from a noted sociologist than a journalist...Don't you think?

I asked you to grow up (Mind you I know your age) is because rather than speak as a rational person, you speak as any parent would. If you kill all paedophiles, trust me you wouldn't even if you tried, seeing as paedophiles do not constrain to a certain stereotype. The few left will be in hiding doing much worse...

Think about that...And I don't think your posts are logic rather emotive...

Tyanna, when you say this to me;

"Kevin..your answer makes me angry....Not trying to accuse you of anything but your opinions seem to be something a sex offender would say.."

You ARE suggesting that I am linked in some way to a sex offender. Let me just warn you right now, if you ever even hint at such a thing again I will take it before my fellow Mods with the hope of getting you banned. To even suggest at such a thing, merely because, unlike most of you, I am not prepared to throw the book at my fellow human beings, despite their crime, without first trying to figure out what might have motivated them into their acts is quite possibly the most hurtful and offensive thing anyone has ever said to me on this website....and I've had people insult dead relatives etc. You have really pissed me off, I'll be expecting a full apology from you.

As for the person who asked what I would do if my daughter was abused, I have no idea, probably freak out and go looking for the person who did it with a mind to beating the crap of of them, most people would feel that, and maybe do it.

That does not mean however that it is right, and it certainly should not be the law of the land. The death penalty is barbaric, as are most of the crimes which warrant it. Why do people on this site, stupidly assume that if someone questions the death penalty, they are bleeding heart liberals who don't care about murder/rape/abuse?

It's not all black and white, it's a good thing to question the rules, find out why... Bob, as he said himself has done time in prison, so he is a reformed criminal, who I'm sure would have been shot in the back of the head if it were up to some people, who hate the crime he commited.

I shake my head and sigh when I read people baying for blood on here.

[feel free now, as I said, to take my words totally the wrong way and assume I want to pamper sex offenders and wrap them up in cotten wool].

Lol...

The reason as to why I made this post thread was because I knew that there will be controversy, and that there will be more who will think emotionally rather than rationally...

Really...Naive!

Well I agree with you on one thing, Recidivism is the most successful treatment according to statistics.

As a parent it would seem natural to fight tooth and nail to protect their young. And I respect that, but when you say rehabilitated offenders who are now productive to society should die because the sin they committed and repented still looms...

I am sorry but who are you to judge whether a man can be forgiven...

I may be condesending and a know it all, but that is because I back up the points I make...

Forgive me if I offended you!

Lol...

I guess we do differ...

But then that is the whole point of the debate...Well thank you Nicko for your input, and thanks for at least trying to back up your opinion. It was fun...

Noir I have been following this debate with interest.

You are touching on some very strong emotions in this forum (especially when parenting is involved) please be careful, tone it down a little.

Whole lot of hurt out there as you know.

Steve: I know, and I want people to debate, and actually debate well...

And I know what I am doing, as you can see, seeing as you have been following this debate with intrest. I have not mocked any parents out there...Neither am I asking them to bring their parental side into this thread.

If you want to debat...Debate Intelligently...

(Removing the banner from iddle of post...)

Fair call "debate" but dont incite into debate...

Good Luck Noir

Excuse my error...

Thank you Steve for the heads up...

Responding to some responses to my post : )

"Sibylline does "A reformed force in the world is worth more than one that has been condemned" is that worth more than a child"s life or destruction of their innocence peace and sanity...worth more than the innocence trust and love in a childs eye....I wonder"

No, I would not wish to sacrifice a child's innocence. But if, in a terrible way, the damage to a child -has- happened... what to do then? We have to choice to either help or kill, basically. I wouldn't promote releasing convicted offenders back into society- I think statistics have shown that that is too much of a risk. But while they are in prison, we could either try to have compassion and help them (yes, even them. Loving thine enemies is much harder than it seems at first) or else kill them, and cut off all chance of a change of heart. So, to get back to your question, I don't think there would be any situation where you'd have to choose between a child's innocence and mercy towards a convicted criminal. The only case would be if you were to release the person, risking that they might to it again, which I would not promote.

To Noir:

"Castration may ensure that a pedophile (assumingly male) would not get physical, genital sexual pleasure out of abusing a victim"

"I would like to reply to the poster of this quote...I for one have done research on castration and it's effects, seeing as I was doing some readings on eunechs...

Castration does not halter sexual pleasure...Rather slows it down...Keeping the sex drive in check..."

I'm not sure if you understood what I was saying. Right after the part you quoted, I went on to say that cutting off some genital pleasure would not necessarily stop the sex drive. There are both physiological and psychological aspects at work. Hope that helps.

Back to the original topic! Rehabilitation? I say it's too risky. Keep them in jail, and work with them there.

I believe that if they do it once, they have the potential to do it again. I don't believe you can ever fully "rehabilitate" a sex offender. I think that they should always be watched. I may sound mean, but I'd rather be safe.

Kevin..I am very sorry for saying that.. I really truely am..I had no right to say that when you was just stating your opinion..Obviously our opinions on how crimes against children, or sex offenders differ greatly..I just feel that they (the offenders) do not deserve any credit, and it upsets me when I hear, or read, statements about why they are this way, or imply that they deserve the benifit of the doubt. Again..I am sorry that I posted that..

Wow...

A threat of account suspension, and you say sorry...

Lol...

But I ask why say to Kevin those things in the first place...

"You ARE suggesting that I am linked in some way to a sex offender. Let me just warn you right now, if you ever even hint at such a thing again I will take it before my fellow Mods with the hope of getting you banned.."

Wow...

Now that is something...You must have really hurt him bad....

Lol...Don't mind me just instigating...Lol..

The ONLY reason I said that was b/c I don't feel these people (sex offenders) deserve to live...After reading his post again I realize he is not defending them..just simply saying he feels we have no right to take a life...The first time I read his post it sounded as if he was defending them.Yes..I apologized...He deserved an apology..I wouldn't have done it (apologized) if I had felt he didn't deserve it..

I guess you're right...But my question would be:

Who would ever defend sex-offenders who re-commit, or who commit...?

Good question..

Bob>>> I back your statement 100%

Hmm...no more opinions to be stated huh??

I think the apology to Kevin was unecessary. He should have expressed his dislike of your statement without the threat. That was wrong on his part.

Stormborn, If Tyanna had suggested to another site user that they sounded like a sex offender, I would have given her the maximum penalty points allowed for such a rude and thoughtless comment. I would have also taken it to my fellow Mods with the view that she be given a warning that is she said anything so hurtful and damaging to anyone on this site again, she would be suspended.

Because she said it to me however, and I DIDN'T want to abuse my Mod powers, I did take it before my fellow Mods without giving her any penalty points to ge their opinions because I was trying to be fair.

She said sorry [thankyou for that Tyanna] and so nothing more will be done about it. I understand your concern that I used my Mod status to threaten an apology out of her, and I do hope she said sorry because she realized her comment was out of order, and not because she might get banned, though maybe I'm being naive there.

Regardless, I would have said the same thing to her no matter whom she had said it to. I appreciate you speaking your mind about this though, it keeps us Mods aware of the boundaries.

But let me ask you, if she had said it to you, that you sounded like a sex offender? What would you have felt?