IN GOD WE TRUST

People are against it because not everyone believes in God. Say what you want to say, but there's no reason to put a religion label on the people in the world by writing it on a form of money and using it as something everyone feels. Your entitled to your own religion, beliefs, ect. but to support that statement is to say this is what's right, and the only thing that's right. It's all very deep and connect to judgements. More stereotypes and more worse stereotypes will be made about people who don't believe in a god if the standard and what people think as a moral person is related only to the trust in that God. I think that people should just keep their religion to themselves, the fight for the 'right' religion is only causing problems. And I know of no religion in which these problems should be fought to protect.

I, personally, do not care whether or not the "God" remains in government paraphernelia...but I think your arguments, David, are slightly skewed.

"1. our country was not founded on the great righteous people you claim for it to have been"
-Yes some of our founders were not all holier-than-thou-art Christians but that doesn't change the fact that some were and there was enough of a majority to include God in many governmental documents, including The Declaration of Independence, etc.

"2. God is no respecter of persons and a little slogan isn't gonna change that"
-I'm sorry but who are you to pretend that YOU know God and Tracy D. Rollings doesn't know what he's talking about. Frankly I think neither of you have a right to say what god and what god is not, and that if you believe in the Bible, no scriptural reference you have can alter the fact that there are consistent quotes in the Bible that state "only God can judge us".

"3. your beliefs your beliefs your beliefs, what about the muslims, or the hindus, or the bhuddists, or the atheists. are we united or religously divided?"
-Aside from agnostics, atheists, and buddhists, most religions DO have a God. So who says the God the dollar bill and pledge refer to has to be the "Christian God". It just says GOD. People can put the meaning wherever they want.

"4. freedom of speech and a separation of church and state, which means in god we trust is infringing on equality for all."
-I actually do not refute this argument, because this is the truth. Unfortunately, this is one of the biggest hypocritical statements of the government for if church and state are segregated why can't homosexuals get married?

I have nothing against anyone's religion as I said earlier that men and women are losing their lives everyday to fight for what "we" believe in they all have different religions, yet they stand together to keep what we believe in here in the USA, it's not all about money,religion, it's about what we believe in. Today they take that ,what do they take tomorrow, well to a lot of you it really doesn't matter to you, because you care less. Well I do care and I will stand and fight for what I believe in, and again if anyone wants to throw rocks at me for it, then go for it all I can say.

Does that make anyone who uses it or endorses it, christian or not, responsible for all the evils that money itself is the cause of?

First, yes, money is the root of all evil. It's what you do with it that matters.

Moving on:

Okay, Atheists, or people who don't believe in god, should be very used to being in the minority. Especially if they were born in and live in America. It should not bother you to have your beliefs attacked or judged, just as it should not bother those who do believe to have that faith threatened.

As for seperating 'church and state', I think this only applies when out-dated 'church law' is used to persecute others in the court without just cause. I don't think it should apply to matters as trite as symantics. Those four words mean a lot to some people and give America its character. Without "In God We Trust" the legal exchange becomes mechanical and tired with industry. Keeping "In God We Trust" whether you identify with that phrase or not, leaves a more personal impression.

Why does everyone think this is about money, it's about what we believe in and stand for and have been fighting for over since I can remember. Some times I find it hard to believe that anyone really cares about anything anymore.It's not just religion, money, are if you believe in God or not, this country is going to hell in a hand bag and no one really seems to care, wake up .

Thank you very much, glad someone can see the real point here.

"Didn't ask all that asked a simple question , why is everyone making such a big deal out it ,if you don't believe ,then don't read and answer plain and simple"

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Well, if you don't want someone else's opinion on the topic, don't write. Plain and simple.

I was just telling you what I thought. I'm not saying that you are wrong, or right. My point is that there are more people in America than just those who "fought for the country."

Sort of a distressing topic.

What I find kind of ironic is that "In God We Trust" is even imprinted on such a thing as currency. Money - the root of all evil, they say. What does God care about the dollar, except in its capacity to seduce the human heart? I believe in God, yes, but if we are to "render unto Caeser that which is Caeser, render unto God that which is God's..." Then why print it on money? : )

Maybe, if anything, having it there will remind people, when they look behind the George, that there are more important things than the green piece of paper in their hands.

(on review of the thread, my thoughts seem to be in line with Holy Hellcat's ; ) I'll read better next time.)

And 86% of the people say it should stay as it is, you have the right to think and say what you want, thats your right. What I'm saying is why do we have to change to make everyone else happy,they don't do it in there countries why do we have to change. Plain and simple whats hard to understand about that.

"IN GOD WE TRUST"... 4 words and a HUGE controversy. I think that every one is intitled to an opionion and not everyone has to agree. "in god we trust" is just another opinion. should it be changed should it not be changed? facts or emotion? religion vs religion who will win?

every religion promots themselves, if it isnt on money or in a song or whatever, then it's on something else. so what is the big deal? yes it may offend people, but deal with it. you can't change it.

you may not agree on certain things but at least as a human should you not put it in a perspective? stop being so stubborn and hard up.

The fact is that no one is right and no one is wrong. We are all diffrent in this world and again we do have diffrent views. as a world and as a country will never agree on something 100% so can't you agree to dissagree? and not be so dramatic? it's honestly not THAT hard.

However it is sad to see times change. for people who want it to be the way it use to be can have a very hard time dealing with it. Tracy just stated an opinion. that was it. there is and was no need to be offended

Thank you Sarah, The point I was trying to get across ,just asking a simple question. A simple I agree or I disagree.

"God is not real dumb A**"

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Wow. How immature.

See, Tracy - Those are the people who shouldn't post in here.

Couldnt agree with you more!

I'm not sure. there's no cold hard proof of God and what not yet there is only very vague proof of there not.

I do believe in evolution yet I'm sceptical about religion.

But why DO we have to know?
I think it's aout wanting to be right and prooving it.

Egotistical.
That's just my opinion....It's food for thought though.

"Take the national anthem it's now being song in spanish so whats next or does anyone care."

Ok--please, lets NOT go there. Hispanic people are part of this nation too and they are allowed to be patriotic, I hope that was not a statement that condemns people of another language to join in the celebration of our country.

Jodan , I tried to take it off ,but it didn't delete, so trying to do it again, hope this works, I'm not a bad person ,but I do stand by what I say, because I am an honest person and would like to treat people with respect, so bare with me on this, hope it works.

Woah. OK. Tracy, obviously there's been some mix-up.

I wasn't the one who called you that. There was a person before me who said that. I quoted him (His post was deleted) - I guess you missed it. I was saying that people who are immature and would say something like that don't deserve to post here.

Sorry for the mix-up - I would never talk down to someone on this site unless they truly deserved it. Especially someone who's been around so much longer than I have.

Well I will let it side and I'm sorry I am a man of my word so I will delete what I said, no hard feelings.

MESSAGE DELETED, THANKS

OK. :)

PS I did a little bit of re-reading on this thread, and I think that you may take all of my comments to be hostile.

I just wanted to let you know that what I am saying is anything but hostile...it's more or less just me presenting another side of things. I don't mean for anything that I say to sound dramatic - but that seems to be the way that the internet works.

I think that there should be some way of emphasising emotion when typing online, that way people won't get so flustered.

But anyway, let's get back on topic.

Ok message is deleted like I said I would do, hope there is no hard feeling, because I came in here to ask a question,not to start a war, but if the nice person that called me a dumb a,, would be so nice as to step forward I would like to have a few words with him. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

"Why does everyone think this is about money, it's about what we believe in and stand for and have been fighting for over since I can remember. Some times I find it hard to believe that anyone really cares about anything anymore.It's not just religion, money, are if you believe in God or not, this country is going to hell in a hand bag and no one really seems to care, wake up "

1. not everyone thinks it's about money

2. "this country is going to hell" the country will go to hell or not with or without in god we trust oin currency.

3. "it's about what we believe in and stand for and have been fighting for over since I can remember."
since when was the united states in a religous war? i don't remember any

Well glad you woke up david ,well back

Good to be back

Well some of us can't ,not that we don't want to ,because we not able too

I took it back

No problem

Thanks

You'll quite welcome anytime

You to what lol

You couldn't have went through anything worse than what I went through for 16 years,but I'm not giving up because of that ,there is a reason for me being alive today. And I'm working on helping other kids and adults
to deal with there problems and get help, so I guess thats my reason for making it. But you have to believe in your self first.

This time last year i probably would have given you all a long speech on the power of god and all that good stuff but i'm starting to doubt his existence..... love of money is the root of all evil... thats bull sh_t... i just don't agree....

See the true problem with the in god we trust is that no matter what you do people are offended for those who dont believe in god or believe in a "god" such as Allah or Jehovah (sp?) i can understand how seeing such a thing everyday could be offensive on the other hand everyone who dose believe in god will be offended if it removed because it is what the founders believed and its tradition and so on and so forth i think to see both sides we need to think of it if it said something we individually did not believe in . theoretical if it said in zuse we trust i might be offended at the same time if it said something like in peace we trust and that was removed i might be offended but hey what do i know ?

If you have no money... you can be depressed *nods* I know this. I am poor at the moment ;-;

Glad to see the rest of the world waking up. like your comment Rocky, good point.

Ok im not one to beleive in god... but i am one to accpet poeple for who they want to be. now that come in conflict with everyone... somebody's not going to like same sex marriges, but it does not mean you have to say anything about it. they need to accept who people are b/c it s makes the other person happy..... i dont know if i worded that right. i love my girlfreind she is the most loyal thing i have anymore. poeple at school call her a slut b/c she is a flirt. now me and her are happy, really happy b/c i plan to propese to her after i get the money i need.....my point is why can't poeple accept other people for the way they are... and the answer is its b/c they where raised not too. no offense u want everyone to excpet ur ways u have to accept theirs. and btw ur kids are learning from you, how do u want them to turn up

Again thanx tracy for bringing in up i been wanting to get that out for a while..... ^_^

Thank u rocky

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