Presidential Election 2008 (United States)

This is for every member who knows a thing or two about the United States government, not just its citizens.

Which party do you, or would you, represent? (Democratic, Republican, Green, Tea...etc.)

In Election 2008, say Hillary Clinton, Rudy Giuliani, Barack Obama, Mike Bloomberg, John McCain, Hillary Clinton, Mitt Romney, Fred Thompson, John Edwards, Hillary Clinton...and Al Gore...were to run...who would get your vote?

Who would be your second pick?
Third?
...and why?

But more importantly, how hot do you think I am? ;)

What? She is not a quack at all. Where did you get that idea? If you can support it, I'll take that comment more seriously.

I don't know much about the canidates stands or viewpoints individually but my parents are supporters of John McCain (not sure who their 2nd and 3rd choices are though). I will be a few weeks shy of 18 when the voting is held so I haven't really been paying too much attention.

But what is your stand on everything?

Yeah I don't see why she would want to ban them. I mean I know why she's doing it I just don't suport it. She believes that they cause too much violence. A lot of things cause too much violence. I'm not just saying this stuff because I play video games I'm saying this stuff because I don't like when things are biased. The people that do things from games are the ones with no self control and if they can't handle themselves their parents shouldn't alow them to play them. What was that one school that had that crazy gun guy? Anyway...Virginia tech. Anyways People blamed that on video games. My boyfriend and I have done research on crazy people and they usually start off with toubled childhoods or abuse or both. Ect. A lot of people play video games to control their anger. The ones that go out and try something from a video game it is their own fault. You can't sue a cigerette company for killing your dad or friend or blah blah blah because you were aware of the consiquences. You can't blame video games because those who play them are aware of what could happen. And those around them know too. And the video games have ratings like movies so anyone would know when to not get something and I know people steal or get others to do it for them but they do the same thing for movies so there ya go. And even the ones that are for everyone look back....chances are there was some kind of gun/weapon and you had to kill the bad things...yeah same thing for the adult games except more graphic and sometimes you're the bad guy but that can happen in little kid games too. So splah on her theory. I'm sure she's a great person but I do not suport that belief of hers.

The killer from Virginia Tech had a series of teachers tell him that he needed psychological help although he never followed through with that. He would talk inappropriately to girls on the campus through an instant messaging system. I think his problems had nothing to do with 'video games' He was a seriously disturbed young man. He admitted himself that he was made fun of and didn't like people with 'money'.

So for any of the people who blamed that on 'video games' need to do some research and stop blaming a simple video game. My god the man was in his 20's.

Some video games are too gory for kids under a certain age, hence why they have ratings. But their access to those games can't be 100 percent controlled. But to ban all video games is nonsense. I would agree to changing some of the more explicit content in these games. But I agree with your view on how the people playing them know the consequences along with your example of cigarettes. For all of the little kids playing inappropriate games, I mostly put fault on their parents.

I think if Hilary Clinton wins that she wouldn't be taken seriously in foreign affairs. My boyfriend recently pointed that out to me. In many countries women are looked down upon, and with her as our 'leading lady' I highly doubt that she would be taken as seriously as a man would. Which is rather sexist and sad.

I would rather support a President who is against video games than is against Abortion and Homosexuality. Video games are minor things...and I think there is absolutely NO WAY that they are going to be banned. Made illegal. Whatever. That's impossible. She would be impeached! Haha. But really, I can't imagine it would be possible for Hilary to take video games away from her people. I'm rambling...

My top picks would be, and in this order:

1) Clinton
2) Obama
3) Gore

I doubt any of those three will be elected. Clinton because of stereotypes and sexism. Obama because of his last name! Poor guy. And Gore probably won't run. Even if he did, I'm not sure how much I actually believe in that guy. Anyone would be better than Bush...

Don't Hassle the Hoff, what about the Queen of England?

She is a constitutional monarch. The Queen does not 'rule' the country, but rather fulfills important ceremonial and formal roles with respect to the Parliament. But she does have relationships with Armed Forces and the established churches.

So I view her more as a figure than a ruler.

Really a lot of women are looked up to in different countries too. The Queen for one. And I've learned in my history books that America was the one behind on womens rights. We were still not alowing them to do a lot of things while a lot of others already passed that area. We were a tad slow...but yeah a lot of people still don't vote for women. It's not all that they're women it's just some fear change and if you think about it what are the chances? If you have nine blue marbles and 4 green ones in a bag and you select one out of the bag what are the chances of it being a green one? Not as much as a blue marble. It's like how and I'm not being racist I'm just saying why I think some of this. Ya know how sometimes people say there aren't enough black, mexican, ect, teachers they must be racist? Well really they're the minority so no it does make sense. It's the same thing with the marbles. The chances are slimmer.

Unless we get a lot a lot a lot more women to try for presidency the chances are the winner will be a man.

I don't think that people should vote against Hilary for her being a woman, but rather if they were to vote for or against her it should be based on her viewpoints.

Right now she is a highly ranked to take the Democratic vote.

I agree, the chances are slim...

Some people fear change as you pointed out and still, as sad as it is, some men still feel that a woman's place is in the kitchen and not doing a 'mans' job.

Yeah really. I think it would be interesting seeing a women do it. The only reason so many teachers are women is because back in the day it was viewed that we'd be better with children and nurturing and stuff. So it would be cool to see if we'd get a sensitive women president and see what all she would try to make better. I'm not saying men are unsensitive but you know what I mean. We all see things differently.

Agreed. Everyone has a different feel about whether a man or woman should take office. Whether we need a strong and firm upper handed man (stereotypically speaking) or a soft and reasonable woman.

I think either could do the trick depending on the situations that come towards the office. Maybe a reasonable woman would do the trick. After all, I believe she can fill the firm and strong role as well.

Wouldn't it be interesting if we had two presidents? Like one man and one women to keep it even? Or like the three branches...no cause then one sex would over rule the other....Alright just two people then. It would be interesting...I would just hope that they wouldn't hate each other..

Ooo not voting? That's terrible. Less than half of the people in America vote. That's pathetic. I think we should all vote. Or at least I think people should put more effort into it. It's so sad that people don't care who runs the country....And I know you're going to say they do but they're just too lazy to vote. Now which sounds better? Not caring about the country or being to lazy to care? I'd go with the first one because the second one's pathetic even though I know it's true.

How is cursing and talking about hoes in songs the American Dream. I'm sure that is what she is referring to when she talks about censorship. Music should be about good lyrics that make sense and a nice beat. I know the African American community (which predominantly contributes to the over flow of 'dirty' songs for entertainment) enjoys their music and they say how it reflects their 'culture' but I mean honestly, hoes and strippers and what not shouldn't be a thing to be proud of.

It's not all about rap either, other types of music talk about terrible things as well. Now I don't think that every song should be about rainbows, bunnies and sunshine, but can't we cut back all the crap. I'm tired of listening to a song on the radio with 3845482 pauses in it where they cut out the words.

Not to mention...listening to those songs around my mother is one heck of an awkward situation...

HAHAHAHA! Thanks Lizzy. I love ya. That question at the end is actually in attempt to make fun of Kevin, but I appreciate your answer mucho.

Bush was created because not enough smart cookies voted.

Not TOO well, haha, but you know me pretty darn well. It's true. How's it going, Lizzy? Long time, no talk. I'm going out right now, but I want to have a nice, long chat sooooon.

Miss ya.

Go Hillary! Ha. My finger hurts...

How sweet.

Okay, really...bye! Keep posting on this thread. I mean it!

If you think that it'd allways end up to be the same (which I'm not saying you do think because I don't know what you think) then why not just let the rest of us vote like we're suposed to? I agree that a lot of people are uneducated but that's no excuse. They can get educated and they can or should beable to understand maybe a small list of what they suport and don't suport. I know a lot of people may not get the right idea but we're evolved aren't we? Eventually something has got to be done to get more voters out there. And that's good that you're not going to since you don't know much about the people you could be electing. I just hate how some people know things and then they don't do anything about it.

I hate bush too. ^_^ I liked Al. He suports global warming.

For Bush's 2nd term, I liked him better than Creepy Kerry :\

If more educated people voted then we'd get better results that's all I'm saying and if some of those people happen to be the ones not voting then they should vote. Everyone should. It's Ok if you disagree I just have a mom that feels very strongly about people voting so it rubs off on me. Does anyone else agree that it's pathetic that less than half of America votes?

It just goes to know that not many people give a rats behind who gets into office. Which is sad. I have a friend whose parents don't vote and she doesn't pledge to the flag...I don't even think she knows why...but anyways.

But I mean if someone is unsure about any of the happenings in politics and doesn't even have a clue as to who's running, then why should they vote. Just grab a ballot and say 'well...their name sounds good'. Doesn't make much sense. I'd rather have people with definite opinions vote than to have some baboon with no care as to who gets into office vote for our president. Every vote makes a difference!

But maybe that half who don't vote are all the baboons? Who knows...We just know that the other half actually cares.

Agree with the schools thing. I'm not saying that people should go out and vote with out knowing anything. Of course they'd have to study a bit.

Hey now...a smile goes a long way! ;)

Yeah people in school do that....For the whole president thing....What was that called again? Whatever like class president and stuff. I always hear guys say she's hot and vote for her. >_> Grr..

OOoo good answer man!

They didn't die to talk about hoes and 'apple bottoms'.

They died to let their opinions be heard.

"what chu got in dem jeaaaans gurrrl"

Not something I'd die for, that's for sure...

It doesn't mater he's right. If you take away a right then it shouldn't be a right at all. I believe in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

I agree I may not like that music but does it really matter what I think? I am aware of it and I know I don't like it so I don't listen to it. I hate that music too. I tell people all kinds of reasons why and they could never give me a good enough reason to like it but I'm not going to take it away from them.

They wouldn't be taking away a right. They would be placing limits upon it. And as far as i'm concerned the music industry plays a small part in the debate of 'freedom of speech'.

""Free speech only becomes a volatile issue when it is highly valued because only then do the limitations placed upon it become controversial.""

Limitations are a way of life...that's legal. And if it weren't, then Hilary Clinton herself would be slapped on the wrist for even thinking of putting censorship on anything. Ever heard of the FCC?

I still think it would be taking away a right.

Verse 2: "Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people"

You guys should check out the site. We did a thing in english class on this and it was really cool to read everything.

OH and I don't mean verse 2 as in by the number 2 when it lists off the rights. That parts just the preamble.

Just make sure u guys don't get too into this and start getting angery and mean to each other...dude remember someone already reported you on that one thing make sure you don't say anything to be reported again.

Hmmmm...I didn't expect myself to be here that long...

How is it taking away a right when it's already being done? On the radio bad words are bleeped out as well as on television. No one is complaining about that now are they.

Hilary i'm sure wouldn't take it too far if she were to crack down more heavily. She possibly could go beyond just bleeping out the curse words.

But they're rights still remain in tact when selling cd's. There is a warning on top of the cd that says explicit content and there are age limits to purchase such items.

It's not taking away a right to bleep it out because it is still alowing the person to say these things. it is bleeping it out because some prefer and some are not responsable enough to listen to that kind of stuff. i don't think children should listen to those things i'm just saying that bleeping isn't taking away a right.