Is god an excuse????

Hi im faye now ive been wondering why people think god is real? i know most people are gunna hate me for this but is it that god is an excuse why we are here on earth why cant we be here for just being here the meaning of life is silly because we can be here for being here?
anyway tell me your thoughts? okie thnx bi.xx.

I used to believe that God was such a HUGE thing. But now I still kinda believe in him its just theres so much going on in my life. Bad to say :[.

But I try to read the bible once in a while.

I'm only going to say this once.

I don't use God as an excuse, I know him.
I honestly know him, I honestly truthfully know him.
therefore I know he exists and he doesn't have to be an excuse.

here's the beauty about existence,

it's cold to look at a sunrise, the blooming flowers or just the beauty of nature and explain it in a series of equations formulas or just a bunch of scientific mumbo-jumbo.

you can't look at human beings and the way we connect with each other and how everything in our universe is set so perfectly and think that came from some random freak accident.

something (intelligent) created this world.

you're in art class, and you have your block of clay in front of you. It doesn't mold itself into a beautiful sculpture, you shape it into a piece of art, and you love that piece of art.

God's not an excuse for existence, and we're not here because we're just here. We're here because he put us here.

"God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect."
-Hebrews 11:40

How do you explain human existance, if not with a god? Did we just materialize from nothing? I know, this is a really different question. If I'm in the right mood, I agonize over it. Sometimes it just goes 'round and 'round my head. How'd we get here? Where did God come from, if nothing did not even exist as nothing? Tricky question.

"How did God get here? Did he just materialize from nothing?"

I don't think so. My idea is that for God there is no such thing has time. He's alsways been here. Simple as that. Time does not apply to God because he's the one who created it :]

God is not an excuse. Things like religion, Heaven & Hell are excuses for, say, what a person does with their life; if their on the right path or not, know what they are doing, what they want to do, if they've made the right choice or not, if they committed a wrong, and so on. God, though, sadly, is used as apart of excuses, like for people who believe being gay, lesbian and bi is wrong.

God is not an entity; not an almighty physical being, he is a soul; a spiritual guide. He inspires confidence, endorses morals, brings hope, & more (but he is not a form of discrimination)!

God can be who ever you want him to be & you can refer to him however you like; a spirit, man or women, ''white'' or ''black'' or any other form of skin color, race or nation, as ''God'' or ''The Creator'' or any other name from a different culture, etc. It's your call.

I think God is simply real out of belief.

If you believe, God exists.
If you don't, God does not.

There is no one on this earth who can say God (be it male or female or both or neither) exists or doesn't exist.

I really don't care.
No one individual can really change another individuals feelings about something as important as religion over something as impersonal as a forum. I haven't seen any really good arguements on this thing anyway, my own arguments included. So give up on changing everyone into the same thing. Let people think what they want to think. And don't fight it because it won't make a difference anyway.

I like to have faith
Gives me hope
In this world
I need it

"I like to have faith
Gives me hope
In this world
I need it"

create your own hope ,

"I don't think so. My idea is that for God there is no such thing has time. He's alsways been here. Simple as that. Time does not apply to God because he's the one who created it :]"

Time is just an illusion. Man made time. Not God.
Piss on that. :)

Hope to me is for the hopeless. Why don't you live for you and those you love instead of some abstract and flawed vision of a greater power? Religion is just silly if you think about it. Look at all the religious texts from a logical point of view. Don't take it all in without questioning it. Unquestioning faith is not faith. It's blind obedience.

^"create your own hope"

That is her own hope... Duh.

Living for yourself is selfish, and living for God is also living for the ones who love you.

Who are you to say these things about God when you don't even know him. you make these biased judgments about a faith when you don't even know half the truth about it.

"Piss on that. :)"
dood, salty. you don't have to be so condescending.
you lose respect that way.

although....

I do agree with you about religion, I'm not a big fan either.

I believe god is real bc where else would we come from?

why else would amazing things happen?

why else would u not be killed or injured in all those super close calls? it didnt just happen for no reason

its what god wanted

he want s to show people things threw bad experiences and good experiences

The song writer: You're right of course. I tend to speak a bit condescendingly when I am in a bad mood. Sorry 'bout that.

Im sorry: If God was real then why would all these amazingly horrible things happen eh? Super close calls happen because you were in the right place at the right time, nothing more. If you imply that you live through it because God wanted you then you imply that God is manipulating/controlling us. As for showing people things through bad experiences. What the heck did he try to show with: The Holocaust, The Great Purges, The Black Plague, and etcetera. There is nothing you can say that would ever explain why some 'benevolent' higher power would kill off hundreds of millions (including but not limited to the above disasters) in a brutal way and then turn around to 'save' one lone person? Why does he manipulate events and create those horrible people who beat their children. Why do people starve, live without a place to call home, lose those that they love? What's the point of any of this? Nothing. Life is the way it is, horrible and good, simply because there is no one watching over us. Simple as that.

In my opinion there is no messiah or deity or any other person with a beard on their way to rescue you. shit(e) happens and it's usually your fault.

Theres no definite answer.
so i dont bother asking anymore.

I actually do know him, I have working relationship with God. Which is why I tell all these things that I'm saying to you is truth.

Alex, God doesn't control us, he's not to blame for bad things happening in this world. remember, with God there has to be Satan. give credit where credit is due.

...oh and i wasn't talking to you, Angelina. sorry, that was strictly towards Alex.

We can be here for being here? That does seem to be a very laughably simple approach to philosophy. But I assume if you bought a Ph.D. You could sell it to all of the shallow authorities who would use their parents as an excuse to not seek any higher understanding of origins.

"If you break your leg, do you need an excuse or a crutch?....Hmmm"

In truth it seems to me that God did not create broken legs or broken hearts , for that I think a realist would be more likely to blame mankind.
We can talk about spiritual mobility all day long and in the end we will find a broken leg is more likely a human error, and our cross was not designed by divine forgiveness

It also seems that the human error of misunderstood religious authority has broken many hearts by crucifying Love.

Does anyone find it strange that spirits can be broken, but the mind and soul can only be lost?

Insane people have relationships with God as well. So strong infact.. That they tell them to kill people and commit crimes, correct? Then people tell them that is a false relationship with the Lord.
So maybe your's is merely in your mind as well?
I agree with Bob. I think religion is a crutch.. something to lean on when there's nothing else to lean on. A surival factor of the mind.
If I die and go to hell.. well damn, I guess I'm proved wrong.

"Presume then God not to scan, the proper study of mankind is man"

Alexander Pope.

Very clever man he was, great poet.

I've reread this.. and it seems as though this is all at sixes and sevens.
most people are telling eachother to belt up and it makes you come off slightly blinkered. i doubt most know that that means. :/

I suppose if I were a Philistine in the days of Samson I would prefer to see him with a crutch, rather than the jaw bone of an ass

Ehh idk about the whole insane people claiming that God told them to commit crimes....but I don't pass off as insane and I don't get in trouble with anything. I'm quite trustworthy so I'm positive about having a relationship with God.

I used to be suicidal but it wasn't God's fault, actually God's the reason I'm not dead.

the fact that I'm living is proof that he exists.

"I've reread this.. and it seems as though this is all at sixes and sevens.
most people are telling eachother to belt up and it makes you come off slightly blinkered. i doubt most know that that means."

For the sake of this discussion, I will admit that my numbskull and lame brain cannot comprehend a universe that happened by accident
Honestly I cannot think of anything more blinkered than not being able to know that there is a difference between poor excuses of religions, and God

Faith to me is more of a decision or obligation. some use god for a healthy life changing relationship, others do not. i agree with the above poster about the crutch and ass concept. we all find our reliabilities. God is not one for myself

I associate my God with faith, hope, and love, which I have found to be infinitely more reliable than doubt despair and hate.

Thread poster: Does it really matter?

I don't feel like making people feel stupid for their beliefs today.

I respect entirely your opinion about the Lord. but my lack of relationship has never created hate, despair, etc. religion to me is an element of the human mind. but, maybe one day i'll find that relationship. either way, your love for God is respected.

"Alex, God doesn't control us, he's not to blame for bad things happening in this world. remember, with God there has to be Satan. give credit where credit is due."

God is supposedly omniscient and omnipotent. In which case when he created Lucifer as an angel he knew he was going to turn on him and then eff the world up. If God was omnipotent he could DO something about Lucifer instead of leaving him. He loses most followers because they cannot understand why the world must be so cruel. So therefore he's the cause of their damnation because he allowed Lucifer to screw over the world. No, either God is an asshole and he's using Satan as a scapegoat or there is no God. Pick one.

^You speak of God & the Devil as if they were real...

"^You speak of God & the Devil as if they were real..."

I would challenge anyone to prove that any other books have been read more than the books of the bible

Most of the people that have read these books have found spiritual truths and prophecies that they believe have been fulfilled
I also challenge anyone to tell me what historical event inspired the common-era that we are living in now.

I am aware that many do not accept the ancient translations of these scrolls as the inspired word of God

But why must the Christians be asked to sacrifice historical truth for the sake of political correctness?

I will also state that out of all the people that have commented in this discussion Alex Marlatt's position, or understanding of these books is the farthest from my own

Now come come Micheal, some of your points are not very fair are they?

Of course the Bible has been read more then any other book, it's been around alot longer than most other books and for a long time the only book anyone could get access to was the bible. Plus they give it away for free, which must up the stats on it. Not many people people read it cover to cover though cause it's not a very good book. Read it as a literal historical document and tell me it isn't morally questionable and historically innacurate, hardly the text based paragon of truth and justice which should be the guiding light of a species.

The bible contadicts itself five times over.

I want to gbe polite but i can't i'm sorry. how come when we get on people who don't believe in God everyone gets indignant but when people start thumping their chests at people who believe in God then no one cares?

we have rights same as you and what governs me may be better or worse than what governs you. it is not anyones place to assault my convictions and beliefs.

"I wish more people studied philosophy and used their brain. Then they'd see that organized religion is complete BS."

shame on you, i don't need some watered down theologian telling me if i'm right or wrong, as for evolution it's amazing how everyone attacks the bible because it has "so called errrors" but evolution has so many holes in it i can't even begin to discuss.

Who's insulting?
In my opinion.. The bible does contradict itself. I grew up in a Christian family and my father was a pastor. So I've seen both roads and find the other less life changing for myself. I clearly stated I respected your beliefs, just didnt share them. As for the others, well.. that is entirely up to them.

Before i got in church my life was all about alcohol, bad music, and wickedness. let me tell you that living as i do now, being a christian is far more rewarding.

and for the record not all christians are alike. i'm a Baptist, i don't believe as catholics, lutherans, and the like believe. i believe no one should be forced into church. i believe that not going to church will send you to hell, and i believe that once saved always saved.

you can rationalize your lives, you can question everything that happens to you, and you can ponder what was the beginning and what will be the end but it will not shake me, for i KNOW where i am going.

either by me being saved or by me dropping bad things and doing good i'm going to heaven by all religions. and if there is no heaven then what's the big deal because either way i'm safe.